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1780 Thaler Maria Theresia – real or fake please help??? – Numista

From italian numismatic web site “ ” : ( I translate with Google )

Coinages of Milan and Venice : the Hellers in the territory of Lombardy-Venetia were coined in Milan from 1790 until at least the 40 years of the nineteenth century ` and Venice from about 1815 and astir to Italy in 1866.

1 ) A typical feature of the neologism of the mints of the italian Lombardy-Venetia is constituted by the Cross of St. Andrew placed in reverse after the date that, unlike all the other coinages, is sandwiched between two points ( • x • ).

2 ) the fact that it lacks two points before and after the crossbreed of St. Andrew, does not necessarily imply that the tolar is not italian. The mint of Venice has credibly coined Hellers in which the distributor point below, but not above the crabbed of St. Andrew ( x • ) : it is late enough coinage to be placed between 1840 and 1859 that are besides characterized by the “ button “ on the back straight to the Empress that is ellipse and not, as is common in the coinages Lombardo – veneto, beat and surrounded by nine pearls ( sometimes, more rarely by ten-spot ).

3 ) The human body of the coin obverse is indeed another distinctive feature of italian neologism of the Lombardo – veneto : the shape is round unlike all the other coinages. however, as has been said, there Talleri Lombardo – Veneti and besides in this casing is attributable to the mint of Venice that have the egg-shaped clitoris and which are the reversion of the cross St. Andrew between two points ( 1840-1866 ) or, as has been said, lone followed by a period ( 1840-1859 ).

4 ) The letters are for the most region straight SF ( Schöbel and Faby ), in one sheath the two initials are reversed FS ( in rare coin to Venice in 1815 ), while in the oldest coinage in Milan ( 1790-1802 ) is given detect the presence of the letters ST / FS In general, although it is not an absolute rule, one can say that the letters SF characters are in the biggest milan and in smaller fonts for Venice.

5 ) There are besides variations in plumage-headed eagle which, however, do not need much to distinguish the cones of the two ticks, but preferably the time of issue : in cosmopolitan, the more dense feather corresponds to the neologism previous to 1840, more than a denude subsequent ones.

Summing up the two salient features of the Hellers Lombardo – veneto are the round button at the stem and the cross of St. Andrew sandwiched between two points in inverse ; recourse when these elements, the tolar comes from one of the two ticks of the Lombardo – veneto. In the presence of unlike features it can not be ruled out – although it is improbable – that Thaler is because the italian sword of Venice coined from 1840 thalers with the ellipse button and / or with the thwart of St. Andrew followed, but not preceded by a period. The egg-shaped release hush denotes a newly-minted coins a good as the one with the less dense feather. The round button and the richest feather are constantly an indication of the oldest cones. As regards the eminence between the two ticks can last say that the little letters denote a mint of Venice, the big ones in Milan.

Coinage of Rome was coined in Rome with the permission of the austrian Government for barter with the Middle East as a consequence of an agreement between the italian government and the austrian July 9, 1935 according to which the use of the topic of the tolar Maria Teresa was ceded to Italy ‘for a period of 25 years ‘.

It differs from thaler minted in 1870 in Vienna for the greatest entitle silver ( .835 alternatively of .833 ), and the smaller diameter ( 40 vs. 42 millimeter ). In summation, the italian neologism has early differences : two pens at the end of the knocked out chase of the eagle alternatively of one like the specimens still minted in Vienna, configuration of the feathers in the tail and 1-3-1 legend baffling. however, other mints coined thalers with some of these features, in particular, has not so far found a way to distinguish minted silver coins minted in Rome from those in Vienna in the period 1932-1935 on behalf of the british Empire. In fact, 10 July 1935, following an agreement Austria – Italy, the condense is terminated production on behalf of the british Empire ( had to continue until 15 October ) and the punches and dies used to mint silver medal coins are transferred to Rome following an agreement by Mussolini wanted to penalize the English trade in the Red Sea.

Of these thalers you know at least two variants that differ in detail from what the caption is elusive.

Hope that will be so clear.
Fabio Benedetti

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